Alex S ([info]barrysarll) wrote,
@ 2007-03-23 18:53:00
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Current mood: SPARTA!
Current music:Tasmanian Pain Coaster - El-P
Entry tags:300, elephants, lee hazlewood, london, monotheism, skins, the wire

Give them nothing, but take from them everything.
All the complaints that 300 is propaganda? They're absolutely right. It's a remarkable adaptation in that, while much has been added to the original and a little taken out, it still feels absolutely like the work of the original's creator. And you'd need to add to the comic to make a film - five issues, decompressed avant la lettre, it would make maybe an hour of footage, at most. And since the comic came out, it has become so much more relevant - or at least, so much more *obviously* relevant. I had feared that the expansion of Queen Gorgo's role would be focus group bullsh1t, an exercise in introducing a Strong Female Character because we have to have those. Not at all - she comes across as very much a Frank Miller woman, and gives us a contrast between Leonidas' respect for his queen and the Persians' subjugation of women. And yes, the Persians - they're Muslim analogues, pure and simple. Whether they were in the original, I'm not so sure. But this is quite unashamedly a film about the West standing up for its freedom against a theocratic tyranny spawned in the Middle East. And what, after all, is wrong with that?
(Though it was a little upsetting to see a) McNulty and b) heffalumps on the side of evil)

Is it a sign that one is getting old to watch Skins and think that the fat uncle who's supposed to be spoiling the birthday party with his rubbish old music is actually playing a pretty good set?

Given the Tubewalkers &c on my friendslist, I'm surprised I recall no mention of last weekend's Underground Night on BBC4. Maybe I've just read it while drunk? But did anybody else see any/all of this?

Have been listening to a pretty good Lee Hazlewood tribute album whose sleevenotes take a format I've not seen before - they play the album to the subject and record his reactions. And he comes across as an absolute gent, proud of his compositions without being self-important, praising the vast majority of the versions without coming across as indiscriminate or a suck-up. What a star. But my favourite comment of all, on Tindersticks' contribution - "Is English his first language?"




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[info]verlaine
2007-03-23 08:38 pm UTC (link)
I stand by the review I posted last weekend - whether it's intentional on the part of the creators or not, the film's Spartans are much more analogous to a beleaguered Muslim nation, and the film's Persians are much more like a Western invasion force.

I think it's foolish to let geographical accident dictate our reading of who is who in 300.

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[info]barrysarll
2007-03-24 12:55 am UTC (link)
Whilst your post was an amusing piece of contrarianism, I hope you'll excuse me if I don't take it seriously. Since the original comic, the battle lines have become clearer, and I'm mainly wondering why I forgot to point out that McNulty's character was George Galloway.

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[info]verlaine
2007-03-24 01:08 am UTC (link)
I just can't believe people are looking at a film about a vast and powerful military empire demanding tribute and obedience from a small, proud, religious nation, and managing to assign the two factions currently fighting the Gulf War completely the wrong way round.

For one thing, if you want to bang your "liberalism, philosophy and art against the forces of totalitarian darkness" drum... the Persians had a hell of a lot more of the good stuff than the bleedin' Spartans.

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[info]barrysarll
2007-03-24 01:16 am UTC (link)
Where did you get the Spartans being religious? In so far as any religion is shown, it's a corrupt relic of the bad old days, easily suborned by the Persians and their sympathisers.

And the Spartans themselves are not that liberal, it's true - but I think that's acknowledged, and their actions guarantee Athens against Persia. And thus, everything since, against the darkness.

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[info]missfrost
2007-03-23 10:53 pm UTC (link)
DO NOT SPOILER SKINS UNTIL ALL THE REPEATS HAVE BEEN SHOWN. OR ELSE.

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[info]barrysarll
2007-03-24 12:56 am UTC (link)
Fat uncle on the decks != plot spoiler, dude!

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[info]zsuzannalyhog
2008-07-17 02:54 pm UTC (link)
Dude, play a net deck and be done with it. It's a fun deck and quite unorthodox, which will likely equate with a few"dude, cool deck" or"neat idea" and a long stay in the Sligh bracket.

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[info]barrysarll
2008-07-17 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Is this some kind of pseudo-viral marketing that has gone awry, or just a baffling comment?

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(Anonymous)
2007-04-22 08:50 pm UTC (link)
Bloody hell, Herodotus was good to manage to fit post 9/11 propaganda into his "Histories" wasn't he? Because, you have to remember, thats oretty much what the "original" was based on. An actual battle as catalogued by a Greek historian. Thats where "we shall fight in the shade" comes from, thats where "Persians! come and take them!" comes from.

The Persians are portrayed as indulgent imperialists because *that's precisely what they were*. The Greek idea of a Xenos involved, to a large extent decadence, which the Persians are so well shown as taking part in.

Also, the Spartans were unusual in how they treated women, in that they treated Spartan women quite well, by comparison. The subjugation of women isn't unique to the Persians, nor should anyone consider it to be. The Persian ambassador is stunned to find a woman speaking because no other woman would ever be allowed to. Yes, in 300, more is made of it than should be, yes, aspects of Spartan cruelty are ignored, but frankly in the time constraints its impossible to weigh up all the pros and cons of the Spartans. Yes, the idea of fighting for "freedom" was pushed slightly too heavily, but the fight was not for world freedom, or freedom for anywhere that wasn't Sparta, it was a man defending his home.

Also, I can't help but smile at use of the word "tyranny" in the OP. Tyrannos, of course, being the Greek for king. Leonidas himself was a tyrant.

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Know you not that I am Richard II?
[info]barrysarll
2007-04-23 08:05 pm UTC (link)
History can be propaganda too; that's been clear at least since Shakespeare & co. were persuaded to revive Richard II as part of Essex's revolt against Elizabeth.

NB I am not using the word 'propaganda' in a negative sense here. "The organised spreading of doctrine, true or false", begins the definition in my dictionary. 300 is broadly true; one of the reasons you can tell the West are the good guys is that our propaganda's based in truth.

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